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I quickly scanned the report. The UB’s are for the Basketball Network, whatever that is, and specifcally does not include the NBL, which is not what you have said here.

You stated Aussie Hoops was failed, not them – can you tell us why? I think aussie hoops, when well run, is fantastic, probably billy bounce, when well run, is fantastic as well…. the opposite is probably true, both aussie hoops and billy bounce probably both suck when poorly run.

Billy bounce had a good run at a number of country associations in the early part of this decade, not sure anyone saw a surge in participation as a result.

The quality of participation development in this country is not in question by the way, everyone agrees it is very good, particularly in Victoria, so it would appear to me whether its Aussie Hoops or Billy Bounce or Biddie Ball or whatever an assocaition runs, its working.

Fair points; To answer them:

1/ Billy Bounce: I mention in the original post on the topic (link at the start of this post) that Billy Bounce has been endorsed by Five Star Basketball; which is generally recognized as the worlds leading Basketball education/training organization; as well as be some government thingys in Dubi and India (I can get further details if needed)

2. Regarding the OzzieHoops and website visitors elements of the post, they come directly from the NBL’s own ‘NBL Future Direction Report’ from memory; again linked to near the top of this post.

Hope this clears a few things up…

Pete

And while i will not defend aussie hoops… how is it a failed program? where is the data and facts that support that allegation?

And finally can you please supply the reference for your claimed 1.8 million “unique basketball fans” who have visited the NBL site in that period. Sorry, that claim is astonishing and needs to be substantiated if you are going to claim yourself as an expert.

You have a lot of good ideas here, terrific, but your blog makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sosivm52sCM

AND

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7uDdQ7_w368

AiRcAmErOn (4 months ago)

Great video, I agree!

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AiRcAmErOn (4 months ago)

Check out Hoopcity Magazine (not trying to spam), it’s trying to help basketball in Australia.

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LJMBRIS (3 months ago)

Well Said Buddy,

I am studying the Economics of Professional Sports at the moment and intend to write an assignment on this topic. If I come to any worthwhile conclusions I’ll let you know!

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JodeciFeenin4crack (3 months ago)

I believe the downfall started way back when NBL and Ten parted ways.Growing up I remember watching games shown in prime time at like 8:30pm of Friday nights and then they got moved to late nights after the late news but I still would watch the games and Ten had that basketball show on Saturday hosted by Steve Carfino and Bill Woods. Then it was shown on ABC for a while and Foxtel but it became really confusing to know when games were even going to be on so I just gave up.

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JodeciFeenin4crack (3 months ago)

Just to add I was a Kings fan and back when it was on after the late news I remember Kings games were on most of the time (for me)so I guess ch10 programmed the games to suit where it was being shown. When the NBL moved to ABC they’d hardly show Kings games so that was a big reason why I lost interest.

I remember going to a few Kings games in ’94 and the entertainment center used to be packed and also the Kings were always doing stuff at schools etc.

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JodeciFeenin4crack (3 months ago)

I remember meeting lots of Kings players at many different events, Dean Utoff,Bob Tuner (coach) Matt Neilson twice, Issac Burton (who was a really cool guy) and a few others who I can’t recall.

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mcgoogan29 (3 months ago)

this is what we need! if you are from the nbl board, watch this movie and start acting dumbasses

saucynugget15 (2 months ago)

very good video great understanding of what the NBL needs to promote itself to the people of Australia.

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sundyluke (1 month ago)

too bad the people on BA board dont seem to be in touch enough to even look at things like this or other forums, they are more out of touch than politicians

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CStyleRecords (1 month ago)

They do have a look. And have a great LAUGH around the water cooler.

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CStyleRecords (1 month ago)

I gave you a shout out in y NBL rant video.

Check the video response.

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Amitboy1980 (4 weeks ago)

nbl is good should put back on tv please free to air tv gwn win tv abc i buy it put money on it

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IncreaseTV (3 weeks ago)

I played in NBL I hope they can get it together!!! Tee Wilson Wollongong Hawks-98-99 season!

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Bundynelle (2 weeks ago)

The NBL fell apart when CEO Bill Palmer was sacked. Its too late for my team. I supported the Brisbane Bullets for 23yrs and no thanks to Eddie Groves we have no team. He marketed the game to 3yos & his girlfriend and not the schools. If the girls can get Free to Air TV Coverage, why not the men??? Even late at night. I saw the Bne Bullets in 1985 on ch10 after 11pm and I was hooked. Only 25% of Aussies have PayTV.

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mavclo (3 days ago)

NBL is dead, period. How many teams need to go into debt just to realise this? Kings, Bullets, Slingers have gone. Spirit, Taipans & the Hawks are about to. What will the playoff picture look like? If you have enough money to make it to the end of the season then you are in the play-offs it seems. We just don’t have a Basketball culture in Australia any more unfortunately, it is no longer like the golden 90′s.

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mavclo (3 days ago) S

PS. Sorry, no free to air as well, ha ha,. Even the lawn bowls has free to air!!

By Tim Morrissey
November 14, 2008

FOR a lazy $200,000 you can buy a 10 per cent share in a basketball team almost no one goes to see and who play in a venue they’ve dubbed the “Ghost House”.

Sydney Spirit owner Greg Evans is keen to sell off 75 per cent of his team to keep the franchise alive.

A copy of Evans’ investor document titled “Sydney Basketball A New Beginning” shows he values the Spirit franchise at a “conservative $2 million” despite falling crowds and corporate sponsorship.

On Wednesday night just 1430 fans turned up at Sydney Olympic Park to watch the Spirit end a losing streak and beat the Gold Coast 115-93.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=76778

Ricky said that as far as he know’s, the Wildcats will be keen on moving to the new Perth Arena. I feel somewhat optimistic about it considering Perth was still selling out the old 8200 seat Perth Entertainment Centre till forced to move to Challenge because of its closure. The old PEC like the new Arena have a fantastic location unlike Challenge Stadium. I belive a half house setup in the new Arena could easily accomodate the 4500 hardcores and another 2/3000 fairweather fans that left when capacity limited by the smaller Challenge stadium. Andrew Vlahov likened the last seasons at the PEC to a college atmosphere, which is fanstastic and in a streamlined competition I hope is achievable again.

On another note, NBL uniforms have become progressively worse since the late 90′s, granted I hated the trendy pinstripes then too. Far too baggy these days and logo’s resting on the stomach instead of the breast, to messy with graphics as well. I recall reading an article on NBA uniforms writen by fashion experts in the US. They unanomously agreed that the erly 90′s fit was best with the shorts not too long or 1980′s short. And befor ethe like of Houston in 1995 started the trend of overcomplicating the tops with full logo’s. Uniforms are the same as many thing were simple is best, no logo, just clear letters and bold, solid colours. South Dragons is probably the current best in this regards.
In the NBL teams have been changing tones of blue and co. almost every season and some of the uniforms look like Joseph’s Technicolor Dream Coat. I want to see teams return to minimal and orginal colours. Perth with Black, Gold and Red, Adelaide with Red, Yellow and ROYAL blue etc. I want away tops to feature the City’s name instead of the mascot, provoke more regional rivalry state who you are and where you are from instead of representing a mascot. I guess it worked somewhat in the late 80′s erly 90′s when local brewerys sponsored many teams and the Australian brewing scene was then very parocial.
After all that ramble I’d like to see a new league control uniforms likr the AFL were they are kept somewhat clear and need league permission to change them. There is such thing a loyalty to the shirt, the brand and it makes it hard when it’s changing every second season with different colours or tones (looking at Adelaide the most). The AFL kep the jersey’s clean with neat restricted areas for sponorship logos which I really like, I’m supporting Perth, not Saville. Like the AFL keep the sponsore logo minimal in the front upper breast or shoulder then on the back a larger sponsorship logo under the players number. As I’m a designer, I’ve even created a few concept uniform designs for the new league containing traditional colours and all that I’ve mentioned, once finished I’ll send them to BA for fun.